I know testing is slow & difficult. . Add to Wish List. I actually did contact APA via e-mail and phone to try and get one of their Bastards but couldnt get through to them. I like to make data driven decisions, and I have a spreadsheet on every conceivable accessory I might need for my .308. Am I the only one who regards AR-15 muzzle brakes as about as useless as tits on a boar. I think it has more to do with the shooter than the muzzle device. I feel like it pushes the gun down a bit, even when shooting from a bench rest or bipod. After the first Shootout, the GAMMA became one of my favorite, go-to brakes and it has spent most of its time since then living on the muzzle of my Tavor. Muzzle rise. If not placing it as both #20 and #25, what would I do? A good review of it can be found here). You ever get an SJC Titan to test? Diameter(at largest point): 1.00 At first, I thought it was an overgassed system, but upon having multiple people fire it and observe what waa happening, we realized it was the design of the brake that produces the whoosh back to the shooters face, which was also visible as a cloud of smoke. f. In an abundance of caution we have added anti-tamper features to restrict the ability of one to misuse this product. 2 models Battle Arms Development THUMPER Muzzle Brake As Low As (Save $6.00) $59.00 15% Bonus Bucks. Recoil. Thanks! This is another example of extremely clean machining, and the finish is one of the better examples of black oxidized that Ive come across on any steel part. Have you seen the line up at Witt Machine? December 10, 2014. You following this? Ive got several, and at under $30 they are a smoking deal IMO! Another to consider is the V7 Weapon Systems Furion http://www.v7weaponsystems.com/collections/frontpage/products/furion, Wow, a lot of their stuff is dead sexy. Awesome stuff Jeremy! You dont see a lot of international car companies going to american car companies to have engineering/design work done. The first 5.56 muzzle brake test is HERE, the third is HERE, the first 5.56 flash hiding test HERE, the second 5.56 flash hiding test HERE, and the first .308 brake test HERE. even if it does fall short in its tactical persuader stand-off prongs, which naturally I have to use basically weekly as do we all . 1. Material: 8620 steel Probably not! MSRP:$49.99. I have one for a standard AR barrel that Id be willing to lend for the test. So do you think that a rifle held from two ropes, one near the gas block and the other near the pistol grip, sort of suspended in air, would not have any muzzle rise if was fired? Hmmm? Tromix.com shows it on their web site with various thread patterns: Free shipping for many products! Facebook; Instagram; Help. 800-741-0015. TBAC 223CB, TBAC 30CB5, TBAC 30CB7, TBAC 30CB9, TBAC Ultra 7CB, TBAC Ultra 9CB, 13729 Research Blvd Suite 630 Austin, TX 78750. (If only Strike Industries made the J-Brake for .308s), Eventually. In my humble and not-entirely-scientific opinion here: reducing rearwards recoil is the reduction in muzzle rise people actually want. Diameter(at largest point): 0.863 I was going to buy the DPMS at first, but then my Tavor group swore by the lantac dragon. Machining and finish are both fine, but not exemplary. Length:2.95 I like to use them on rifles that will be used for expedition style still hunting like big horn sheep or elk. Whether theres enough room to open up the threads from 1/228 to 5/824 is another question but not always necessary. This print will provide your gunsmith all the information he needs to successfully thread your muzzle to standard specifications. Weight:3.51 oz With a third port on top it seems to push the muzzle downwards a bit more than the Heartbreak. It was on the list. Still no SJC Titan? However, I cant test that. Very cool. A2 Birdcage. Material: 17-4ph heat treated stainless steel This test took 110 rounds of 5.56 to complete. I also have the amazon one and love it. Something for everyone The uber tacticool guy gets the best performer with money being no object. The machining and the finish are clean and the steel has a quality feel. Ramaswamy: The AR in AR-15 Stands for Freedom, FN Adds to Their FN 15 Rifle Line With the New FN 15 Guardian Carbine, Gear Review: Ulfhednar UHRT55CBH Tripod with Ball Head, http://www.v7weaponsystems.com/collections/frontpage/products/furion, http://www.shopmillerprecisionarms.com/Hammerhead_Muzzle_Brake_Miller_Precision_Arms_p/hh-muzzle-brake.htm, http://longrangedesign.com/hem/products/muzzle-brake.html, http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/05/26/griffin-armament-1-ounce-minimalist-brake/, http://www.ar15news.com/2015/06/11/alamo-star-announces-cowl-induction-break-cib/, http://www.recoilweb.com/frank-proctors-new-muzzle-device-67177.html, http://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/06/24/muzzle-brakes-field-test/, http://www.carolinashooterssupply.com/TROMIX_308_SAIGA_SHARK_RIFLE_BRAKE_COMPENSATOR_p/trx-308shark.htm, http://www.laruetactical.com/larue-tranquilo-556-muzzle-brakeadapter, http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/02/02/18-muzzle-break/, http://www.specializedtactical.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=94. Looking forward to Shootout #3, Im curious about some brakes I didnt see in #1 or #2, like the Fortis Red and Rainer arms STC 2.0. As long as you dont mind being without it for ~2 weeks. Finish:black (also available in stainless) Performance is also nothing short of incredible given the extremely compact size and light weight. E-mail me: GunsAndGearEJ20 [ at. A 50% reduction and $100 would be a factor of 0.5. The Claymore definitely does a good job for the price and I really like the clean looks, high quality, and small size of the Black River Tactical one (was in Shootout #1 and will appear in the flash hider test coming up. Well, volume level can be quantified exactingly but its very expensive to do so and Im not sure the results would even matter to anyonethe dB scale is pretty much impossible to truly understand and theyll all do permanent hearing damage if shot w/out ear pro on anyway. Machining and finish are spot on. Finish: Cerakote in black (as tested. Length:2.57 I really want to see how it really performs against other ones like Precision Arms and Lantacs and so on. Again, I mean, its a utilitarian item so as long as it isnt priced like rifle jewelry I think were good here. Material: hardened 4140 steel (version with suppressor mount is 17-4 PH stainless steel) You guys are great at what you do and I go right to anything that carries the TTAG name for some time now. MSRP:$109.95. With 50,000+ likes on Facebook and some very interesting deals coming off in the USA, its clear Im the market leader. This device is intended to be used in compliance with Federal and State law. Weight:3.65 oz But then look at Lotus; even american car companies have used Lotus design expertise. Yeah sorry, hopefully in #3. Thats not the only way to prevent the rifle from moving rearwards, though. The budget for buying brakes isnt that big, and there are quite a few with higher priority (based mostly on requests) to buy before the $110+ Dynacomp 2, Ideally a 2nd flash hiding test will be published before year end as well. Honestly if they arent readily available for purchase then Id probably pass. http://www.ar15news.com/2015/06/11/alamo-star-announces-cowl-induction-break-cib/ What makes the Nitrous unique, though, is that these holes are threaded, and the comp ships with 6 set screw jets allowing the end user to custom-tune downward force. Its effective for a single-chamber brake, and its very good at compensating muzzle rise and movement. Length:2.53 That being said, just because Lantac is the hottest selling item doesnt make it the best. If theres a specific up side to the brake, then they all install the same way and you need to time it with the use of shims, varying thickness washer, a lock nut, etc. I am not a scientist. 4. Material: HTSR 416 stainless steel My AR feels like a paintball gun now, and I paid less for 3 of them then what most of these cost individually. I sure hope you can get one or two from APA though. What is the performance units? Many of the top precision rifle crowd are using those on slightly larger calibers. VG6s GAMMA and EPSILON are likely two of the most perfectly machined and beautifully finished muzzle devices Ive played with thus far. Thats why tests such as these are good to see. Eliminate the rearwards recoil and that muzzle isnt going to go any-freakin-where. And the everyman looking for best overall value/performance is covered. My .300 Blackouts consistently group at less than 1/2 MOA at 100 yards out of very short suppressed barrels. If one company feels like reducing recoil by making a 20-lb muzzle brake, thats probably an effective way to reduce recoil so it belongs here. King of the hill. Bird Of Prey USA Bird of Prey Compensator: Right after the Ares Breath alphabetically is another brake thatsa bigdeviation from the norm. The winner from shootout #1 is now reigning champion. 2 what? The percentage result for the M4-72 was dead freakin on. Brings up the point-does a muzzle brake work with a suppressor? The gun is pushed rearwards right along the axis of the barrel by two things: pushing the mass of the bullet forwards means equal force is going to push the rifle rearwards, and the explosion of gasses from the muzzle pushes the rifle rearwards (which works in multiple waysone is that theres higher pressure in all directions than outwards from the muzzle so the net result is rearwards push, just like a rocket engine in space, and the other is the blast and pressure of those gasses pushing against the air and pushing the rifle back in return). Thunder Beast Sound Suppressors - Ideal for Long-Range Hunting. Recoil test results for all of the entrants can be seen in the graphs and tables below. so I basically feel like it needs to be available for purchase online (maybe phone-only, but thats pushing it ) to be included. The Thunder Beast 338 BA muzzle brake allows the quick and secure attachment of both the 338 Ultra and 338 BA silencers to the host rifle. No machining flaws, but it isnt as clean as some others with just a bit of roughness on edges and such. So I am a precision rifle guy. And on that note Im looking at getting the AFAB, but their website states not to use crush washers, so Im curious how do you have it secured to your barrel? Hopefully bothmuzzle device shootout installments will help narrow down the shopping list. The LMD is designed specifically for precision shooting, and every aspect of it is there to provide the cleanest flight path possible for the projectile with the least turbulence. However, youll note in the first test that it mounts onto a very specifically sized & shaped, square-with-rounded-corners sort of a flange near the base of the muzzle device. The OG and what likely came on your stock AR-15. It is a relatively small brake, and I thought including a compact brake like this would help us understand how size plays into . For the record, I measured in 1/16-inch increments and chose not to round when converting that to decimal measurements later. I couldnt get through to them to see if they would be willing to donate or loan one for the test, and the budget for purchasing various brakes went from most-requested on down and the bastard series didnt make the cut before the budget ran dry. Diameter(at largest point): 1 Their company had a lot of gear at the Connecticut swat challenge so I spoke with some reps of theirs. I have a few of those for the upcoming test #3. Finish:melonite I believe there was more gas/pressure being generated this time around due to the ammo being about 30 degrees warmer, and different brakes reacted to that differently. LOL!! Excellent info, much appreciated. http://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/06/24/muzzle-brakes-field-test/. In the event that the rifle isnt moving rearwards at all it isnt trying to rotate at all and the muzzle WILL be driven downwards by the comp. Plus, there is some integrated flash suppression / tire puncturing features. All of the force in an AR is perfectly in a straight line from muzzle to action to the end of the buffer tube. Ah, I only mentioned that in the video. But anyway, straight-back force along the bore line with more mass under the bore line will cause the thing to spin/cartwheel backwards into space. Was there any effort to measure the buddy effing (aka over pressure) of each device? http://www.alamofourstar.com/, Looks like it could be effective. I would like to note is that the cycling of the bolt carrier group is a variable that really needs to be reintroduced in order for me to make the best decision here. 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