Ruben Flores, 80, will be facing trial in April 2022 alongside his son as he was charged with accessory to murder after the fact. They took in soil, I assume, for some kind of analysis. Thomas attorney says she accepted the letters, but did not give any statements and later goes on to say that Thomas should not have to testify because she does not have any material testimony to provide during any proceedings in this case and also states she does not qualify as a material witness.. It's fine. 0:41. Some of those women who did not want their real names used told Lambert about their encounters with him. There was no reaction until the dog reached Paul Flores's room. Paul Flores was arrested in February 2021 on unrelated gun charges. He had pinned her down and had his hand down her bathing suit groping her.. Powered by. Investigators are currently digging under Rubin Flores home in another apparent attempt to find the missing teens body. She spent a summer in London, was an exchange student in Venezuela, and a lifeguard at a camp in Hawaii. / CBS News, (This story previously aired on May 8, 2021. Jonathan Vigliotti: And that weighs on you. He slammed me and then pushed me up against the inside wall by the toilet, his hands were on my upper arms and he started telling me all these sick things he was going to do to me.. Early on, a small group of volunteers also looked for Kristin. James Murphy: Well, the location where all this activity occurred is where they found the biological material. Im fine. And might have connected Kristin to Susan Flores's house, says James Murphy. Four Women Say the Man Suspected of Murdering a College Student Sexually Assaulted Them JUSTICE DENIED Paul Flores was the last person seen with Kristin Smart before she vanished in 1996. When approached about Janes rape claim, an Arroyo Grande Police Department administrator said in an email that their search revealed no such records exist; therefore, there are no responsive documents. Before their findings, another administrator told The Daily Beast on the phone that because the matter was a sexual assault case it fell under a non-disclosure category and therefore they wouldnt be providing any specific information about it. I would turn around and he would be right there lurking, the woman, referred to here by a pseudonym, said. I knocked on her door, and I thought she was just sleeping, or she went out and about, you know? Chris Lambert: Kristin's father would come down and hike every trail he could find on the Central Coast. During a camping trip in Fresno, California, in the early 1990s, Flores's female cousins playfully swiped and hid his wallet while walking en route to a liquor store to purchase slush puppies. After Smart's disappearance, the car was transferred into their parent's names. He wouldn't answer a single thing. 2020 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. They might have found evidence in those vehicles. James Murphy: And it says wrongful death and then I put murder. In 2007, Flores had a DUI case dismissed in Los Angeles County Superior Court. This boy walked up to me and said Oh hey, you need to be careful of that Paul Flores, I think hes stalking you. Cal Poly agreed that Kristens case would be incorporated as an educational tool into the freshmen Week of Welcome orientation. Brief explanation of how they screwed it up? D.A. But 22 years later, when he couldn't find any recent stories about the case, he decided to do something. Paul Flores Family, Sister. Please, let the guilty be found, and her memory finally be at peace. Lourdes Aguiar is the senior producer. Jonathan Vigliotti: There was a lot of evidence that could have been gathered, that wasn't. But soon Flores took his shot with Jane after another drop-off at her moms house. Thats how we metI was walking and he pulled over and said to me Hey, Ill take you to school, she remembered Flores asking her. Chris Lambert says they're cautiously optimistic. The Charley Project goes on to say that Flores would regularly drink heavily and that he was not popular among the student body. Flores said that the reason for changing his story was because he thought it would sound stupid if he said that he couldnt remember how he got the black-eye. In April 2021, investigators charged Paul Flores, left, with Kristin Smart's murder, and his then-80-year-old father Ruben, as an accessory after the fact. PODCAST EPISODE 4: And he had like a butter knife and he like held it to my neck. Chris Lambert: He told those friends he just woke up with the black eye. His father Ruben Flores charged with being an accessory after the factwas found not. An important tip came in after a February 2020 search of Paul, Susan and Ruben's properties. Jonathan Vigliotti [with Lambert outside of the the dorms]: Paul and Kristin then make their way here. Two days after Kristin Smart vanished, Paul Flores went to the Arroyo Grande Police Department because of an outstanding DUI warrant. I believe (Flores) took her life. You can go." Ian Parkinson: Yes. Well let me educate you. Chris Lambert: I don't think she ever imagined that Kristin would end up dead by the end of the night. But a massive search did not happen until she'd been gone for more than a month. Jane said she kept this secret for yearseven from her husband. I could not imagine being his mother. James Murphy: I'm not at liberty to describe how it was documented. It might be helpful to the investigation.. The Kristin Smart disappearance: After 26 years, Paul Flores is convicted of murder. legal adult and dismissing her parents pleas, spreading rumors about her personal life and Spring quarter grades). (The office hired a detective in 2015 to work on Unsolved Crimes for $15,000 a month: There are four open homicide investigations and Smarts remains an unsolved missing persons case. Their trial is expected to last into at least October. Paul Flores was the last person seen with Kristin Smart before she vanished in 1996. However hard she and her father fought back, there was no chance they were going to get beyond the he said, she said. I was drunk and he had a witness and I didnt, Jane said. Paul and Ruben were arrested and charged in connection with Kristins death in April 2021. The Smart's attorney James Murphy, and his wife and office manager Garin Sinclair, have had Kristin's billboard in their front yard since late 1997. Paul is charged with murder in connection with the 1996 disappearance of Cal Poly student Kristin Smart. It was only by pure luck that Paul was arrested for a different crime and the arresting agency (not Cal Poly PD) documented him having a black eye a fact that Cal Poly PD apparently never noticed. He was required to wear an electronic ankle bracelet. The two girls walked to an area off campus where there were fraternities, sororities and residential housing for students. Lambert says Kristin could not stand on her own, so fellow student Cheryl Anderson who was also at the party began helping her back to campus. I was like Oh my God. In another case, he was granted probation. When authorities later confronted him with the two stories, Flores admitted lying and offered a new explanation. DAN DOW [press conference]: It is alleged that Mr. Flores caused the death of Kristen Smart while in the commission of or attempted rape. Just very involved with their children. Any tidbit of information or recollection could make the difference in the recovery of our beloved Kristin., disappearance of another woman under almost identical circumstances: Kristin Smart. Please enter valid email address to continue. Jonathan Vigliotti: What toll over time did this have on your parents? The parents stopped renewing the tags in 2010 and parked the Volkswagen in Rubin Flores' garage. Lindsey Smart Stewart: "You should go to Cal Poly. Multiple attempts to reach Flores and his parents to comment on the new accusations were unsuccessful. She was gone. Five months after Kristin Smart disappeared, Paul Flores was brought before a grand jury but no charges were ever filed. The letter from the DAs Office has similar wording about the immunity deal. First published on November 28, 2020 / 11:10 PM. His father is a businessman. A woman nearby screamed at Flores to get off her and threatened to call the cops, she said. Deputies also dug in several places in search of remains. I can show you a video of Paul admitting he knows what happened to Kristin Smart, his letter states. But Murphy says there were other incidents that should have raised alarm bells about him with law enforcement from the very beginning. Then, in 2011, Ian Parkinson was elected sheriff. In 2002, after getting kicked out of Cal Poly, rejected by the Navy, and flipping burgers, Flores matriculated at LA Harbor Community College. At the time of Smart's disappearance, the vehicle belonged to Paul Flores' sister, Ermelinda Flores, who lived near Cal Poly. I know Pauls Attorney Mel had many plea agreement talks with the District Attorneys Office and know without a doubt that Paul Flores knows what happened to Kristin Smart and where her body is. Almost all knew nothing about it, thanks to Poly. Murphy has filed a new civil suit against Ruben Flores for the intentional infliction of emotional distress. Jonathan Vigliotti: She had just 40 yards to go and yet she vanished. Paul Flores' attorney on Tuesday asked for a hearing to investigate the San Luis Obispo County District Attorney's Office for what he described as bias in the Kristin Smart case. A now-retired FBI agent believes those remains were once buried at the home of Floress mother. She was kidnapped.. Chris Lambert: He actually hit his eye on his steering wheel in the middle of the night while changing his stereo. He's going to find her body, which is awful for a parent. And the complaint has some explosive claims about what led investigators to focus under Ruben's deck in the first place. I remember thinking: If my moms not home Im going to die right here.. And I was, like, "uh OK, fine.". But the Flores's have fought back, suing the Smarts for intentional infliction of emotional distress. James Murphy: There has been no other suspect. Cal Poly PD, led by incompetent detective Mike Kennedy, refused to investigate her disappearance initially, suggesting that she probably just left town despite her having no car nor leaving any other signs she left town. DAN DOW [press conference]: We have evidence that we do believe there are other people that are not yet identified that have had some kind of a criminal act perpetrated on them by Mr. Flores. James Murphy: they let the dog in, the dog makes a beeline to the bed of Paul Flores. His room was finally searched when the sheriff took over the case and at that point Paul had moved off campus and Cal Poly had deep cleaned his room, destroying any available evidence. Authorities allege that Flores instead took Smart to his own dorm room and killed. I dont like to talk about it to even him, she said. But was there evidence possibly placing Kristin Smart at his mother's home? DAN DOW [press conference]: But the allegation that he was committing or attempting to commit a rape when he killed her, is the basis for which we are able to file first-degree felony murder charges. Even though he'd never investigated anything before, Lambert quit his job to create a podcast about the case. Chris Lambert: And that's when they're told that earring has been misplaced. When they showed up, it was Paul Flores. Murphy and Sinclair promised the Smarts the billboard will stay until their daughter is found. No-no-no. I don't know if Kristin knew anybody there. I told her I didn't I didn't want to go. Friday, May 24, 1996, was the start of the Memorial Day weekend. Chris Lambert and it worked. Lambert said in January 2019, I believe that Paul Flores is responsible for her death and I believe that he knows where she is currently located. In April 2021, investigators finally put the pieces of the puzzle together and decided they had enough to charge the then-44-year-old Paul Flores with Kristin's murder, and his then-80-year-old father with being an accessory after the fact. There's no question about it. Many have assumed that Paul and Ruben Flores had something to do with her disappearance and most likely killed her. PODCAST EPISODE 2: So, with Cheryl's account alone, we have an unsettling picture of Paul . James Murphy: If it was, in fact, a piece of jewelry that matched Kristin's jewelry, it would have been blockbuster evidence. I'm going to go back to the dorms. Because of the statute of limitations, Dow says, Paul Flores can't be charged with rape. Prior to that incident, Susan Flores and her boyfriend had filed a harassment lawsuit against Smarts family. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. You wouldn't let any of your friends be drunk around him. And so, she pulled me into this sort of like, "oh come on, let's socialize. Often, Sarah would be at one party or another and there was Flores. He has not been charged in those incidents. Galambos says the letters referred to several crimes that Thomas may have committed, including being a possible accessory after the fact, or destruction of evidence, or even mishandling human remains., Galambos argument, in part, states that when trying to secure Thomas as a witness, the DAs Office fails to state which defendants actions or statements she witnessed and it fails to identify what actions and statements she witnessed. And here's your key." Flores spit that he would rape her, she said. Despite Flores sporting a black eye the next day (which he admitted to investigators he lied about) and despite police dogs picking up the scent of human decay in his dorm room, Flores was never charged. The 19-year-old was last seen in the company of then-fellow student Paul Flores, who claims he escorted Smart to her dorm, which was relatively empty over the Memorial Day weekend. I feel for her. Chris Lambert: I remember seeing it on the news it was something scary and they were talking about it pretty regularly. According to a county probation bail report obtained by the San Luis Obispo Tribune, "biological evidence" was found under Ruben's deck. I told him, You never do this again! Alexandra Wallace June 11, 2022. The Santa Maria Times reports that Flores has three DUI convictions on his record, as of 2007. Arroyo Grande High School graduate Paul Flores was the last person to see Kristin Smart on the night she disappeared. And there would be more disappointment in 2007, after the Smart's legal team searched a small portion of Susan Flores's backyard with ground penetrating radar and did not find any evidence. In only one of those instances, in 2000, did Flores serve time. Jonathan Vigliotti: Was this case, given the evidence that was lost early on, doomed from the very beginning? Please come with me." Is this Susan posting? Thew newspaper adds that the Navy refused to take Flores because of his connection to the Smart case. She was saved by their male roommate, who barged in because of Lauras blood-curdling screams. Those were kind of unspoken things. Please address the Policies, events and arguments, not the person. I dont like to talk about that day.. Mike McHugh is the producer-editor. His father, Ruben, is charged as an accessory, accused of helping cover up the crime. On October 18, 2022, Paul Flores was found guilty of first-degree murder. Sarah said shes still haunted by Flores. She was last seen alive with Paul Flores, a classmate who offered to walk an inebriated Smart to her room. Ken Blum is the editor. James Murphy: The podcast is out. Margarita Campos: they were, like, "are you sure she didn't go out of town?" To declare to the public if you stay quiet, you will get away with this. We only want our daughter back. At the time of the article, Flores was living in Southern California. every piece of evidence points directly at Paul Flores. Jonathan Vigliotti: There was a lot of focus on how Kristin was drinking what sounded a lot like victim shaming. My job was to hunt them. We both were kids at the same school and so I felt comfortable. I remember being home watching the news about Kristin Smart and there goes Paul, she recalled. And I was like, "nah, I have to study." Chris Lambert: It's mostly frat guys from the Kappa Chi fraternity. In 1997 when Paul Flores was deposed for the civil suit, the only thing he would confirm on tape was his name. Video by: Laura Dickinson READ MORE: sanluisobispo.com/news/local/article237462089.html More from The Tribune: Subscribe: bit.ly/2HrSD3v Twitter: twitter.com/SLOTribune Facebook: facebook.com/SLOTribune/ Website: sanluisobispo.com/ Digital news subscription: bit.ly/2HGn19E, Teenage Porn Star Controversy Rocks California High School. She regretfully denounced them as cruel rumors at the time. Chris Lambert: So, if you believe Paul's story, he goes into his dorm room here. They continued to bungle the case for a month, not properly interviewing Paul Flores or other witnesses and never searching his room. JAMES MURPHY: Your husband have information as to where Kristin Smart's body is located? This educated many current residents. Lindsey Smart Stewart: Right. The first alleged incident occurred in 1994 when a woman accused Flores, then a high school sophomore is accused of drugging a raping a fellow student. Ann-Marie Christian: became friends with Kristin in elementary school. On May 25, 1996, Paul Flores was the last person known to have seen Kristin Smart before her disappearance from the Cal Poly campus. Ann-Marie Christian: Her parents reminded me of my parents. Before court broke for lunch, Cole also testified about a wiretap of the Flores family conducted by the Sheriff's Office in . JAMES MURPHY: Has your son ever told you that he did not kill Kristin Smart? By the time they called the Cal Poly campus police, Kristin had been missing for more than 48 hours. Hundreds gather in Arroyo Grande for vigil in honor of Kristin Smart, Hundreds of people gathered in the Arroyo Grande Village on Sunday evening: to remember Kristin Smart, a Cal Poly student who went missing in 1996. Denise Pearce says that was a crushing blow for the Smart family. One day, Jane was congregating in front of the high school when a male friend approached and warned her about one particular junior. Deputies towed the car from Rubin Flores home. Authorities dug up areas around the Arroyo Grande home of Susan Flores, Paul Flores mother, in May 2007 but turned up no evidence of Smarts whereabouts, the Santa Maria Times reported. Paul Flores, lower left, remained in jail without bail while Ruben Flores, upper right, was able to post bail after a judge agreed to lower the bail amount from $250,000 to $50,000, San Luis Obispo County Superior Court/Zoom, Digital evidence leads to clues in deaths of friends dumped outside LA hospitals, Chad Daybell's kids claim he was "fooled in worst, most deadly way possible", Chilling details revealed in JJ Vallow and Tylee Ryan deaths. James Murphy: Every day. In November 2019, supporters of Smarts family held a vigil outside of Susan Flores home, the San Luis Obispo Tribune reported at the time. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Margarita Campos: To this day, like, I was like, why why did I just let her go by herself? James Murphy: The question for decades was "Well, where did the body go?". Unblurred are Paul Flores (top center) and Ermelinda Flores (top right). It had been the focus of widespread speculation for more than two decades especially her planter boxes. At the time of Smarts disappearance, Flores was a 19-year-old food science major at Cal-Poly. We are giving you an opportunity to be a witness and not a defendant, as I'm not sure Paul will protect you. Kristin Smart was dropped in the dumpster and she is in the landfill. The Arroyo Grande cops, Jane said, favored Floress story that she willingly drank and had sex that night. And yes, we believe it's linked to Kristin. Its an ugly secret that made the Smart family unnecessarily agonize for nearly 25 years! Nothing ever mentioned to any of them. Chris Lambert, who worked as a CBS News consultant, pieced together what he learned from people who were there that night. "48 Hours" has learned these suspicions center around evidence found during that 2020 search of Paul Flores' home. I didn't know how many people were gonna listen. Cole also states, this could have very well been an accident that night while telling Thomas he believes she knows what happened and had some involvement by being a good sister., Cole offers Thomas full immunity in exchange for her telling the truth about what she knows. By the time Cal Poly police began investigating, Kristin had been gone for four days. That was discovered after Flores turned himself in on a DUI charge. Prosecutors argued in court during the September 2021 preliminary . Chris Lambert: They did a significant amount of digging underneath the house. Investigators says Paul Flores' sister offered immunity during wiretap. Chris Lambert: Paul worked with a number of women that he made incredibly uncomfortable girls who he tried to make a pass at sexually, girls that he tried to force to kiss him. They state the detective was requesting an interview from Thomas while also giving her two letters: one urging her cooperation and another offering immunity from San Luis Obispo County District Attorney Dan Dow in exchange for her cooperation. You never look at her again! Would you? Laura said Flores worked a construction job while attending school but that he was very secretive and she suspected he was in college forever so that his mommy kept paying for his housing and classes.. When they were deposed by James Murphy, they also insisted their son was not involved. Paul Flores was the key witness in the 1996 disappearance of Kristin Smart. Cookie Notice Susan Flores, an Arroyo Grande resident whose son Paul is the prime suspect in Smart's disappearance, broke her silence after new searches in the haunting case last week. Just weeks later, Kristin's frustrated parents contacted James Murphy, a local civil attorney. It is every parent's worst nightmare. suddenly major pieces of evidence came forward. They didn't bring a forensics team. Paul was not an experienced hardened criminal, if they investigated early and subjected him to a proper interrogation, they likely could have broken him and gotten him to confess, assisted by any circumstantial evidence they could have gathered. Paul Flores, her former classmate, was named a person of interest in her disappearance shortly after she was last seen, but had never been formally charged in her death until 2021. At a Halloween party back in 1995before Smart had gone missingFlores allegedly grabbed Sarahs crotch on the dance floor. "Paul had this look on his face," the relative said. Have a good day, he said. All of Kristin's personal belongings including her purse, her money, her I.D. DAN DOW [press conference]: We don't have evidence sufficient to charge anyone else at this time. He'd go through tunnels, under bridges, looking for his daughter and expecting best case scenario. When asked about how he got the injury Flores told three different stories. PODCAST EPISODE 2 [LAMBERT READING REPORT] Smart does not have any close friends at Cal Poly. A jury acquitted Ruben Flores of the charge of being an accessory after the fact. and offers to help. But one of those friends told police Flores already had the black eye when he arrived. In exchange, Flores would disclose where Smarts remains are located. Chris Lambert: It's hard to take too much credit But I was one piece of the puzzle that helped to make this all come together when it did. DAN DOW [press conference]: We intend to use evidence of other sexual crimes in this prosecution to prove the facts necessary for the attempted rape in this case. But as Chris Lambert learned, campus police did not act right away. He promised the Smarts that solving Kristin's case would be a priority. I've got her. Murphy alleges four nights later, strange activity was seen at Ruben's house. D.A. San Luis Obispo County Sheriff deputies arrested Paul Flores, the primary suspect in the disappearance of Kristin Smart, and his father, Ruben Flores, at separate locations Tuesday morning. Jonathan Vigliotti: They thought she was off possibly having fun. In the meantime, Paul Flores moved to Southern California, where he bounced from job to job. And she's like, "please come with me. He'd go anywhere. Any evidence that might have been there was long gone. Chris Lambert: Kristin became incredibly intoxicated, whether she was drugged or whether she just had a lot to drink in a short amount of time She ends up passed out on the lawn next door. Get browser notifications for breaking news, live events, and exclusive reporting. He had been sentenced to 240 days in the crime. They were after Paul Flores for an outstanding DUI warrant. Chris Lambert: They're hopeful, but they've also been let down so many times before. Deputies towed the car from Rubin Flores' home. Like the Smart's civil case, theirs also has been on hold. San Luis Obispo County Sheriff's Office. It would be three more years before the property was searched again. Little is known since the proceedings are kept secret, but no charges were ever filed. What happens next? Authorities made clear that they plan to use Flores' alleged predatory behavior against him. The pair appeared in San Luis Obispo Superior Court. Lambert spoke about what he felt was the biggest error in the early investigation by the sheriffs office. And I was screaming. She was she was frantic I don't understand this, you know? Privacy Policy. I believe that everyone who is in the Flores family circle including Susan's boyfriend, and Ermelinda's ex-husband Brett MacArthur AND her most recent ex-husband, is "in" on this, and is either directly involved with Kristin's death (Paul) or the concealment of the crime. He was staring at my face looking at me and he was enjoying himself.. Denise Pearce: She was becoming more and more alarmed, you know? Sources tell us investigators discovered videos and photographs on Flores' computer showing him engaged in sexual activity with at least 10 different women, apparently in various states of consciousness. Paul Flores and his father both pleaded not guilty to all charges at their arraignment. JAMES MURPHY: What is your present residence address? He threw [my cousin] to the ground and got on top of her and putting his hands down her top even after he got his wallet. But you have to understand, she was a really independent free spirit. 19 years later, still no body, no arrests made, and no answers. Chris Lambert: The only thing he would confirm on tape is that his name is Paul Flores. D.A. Stop! and then it became Stop!!!!!. Margarita Campos: But when we got to the house it was pretty dead too, it was really -- it was like a couple of roommates hanging out playing video games And Kristin was, like oh gosh, there has to be something better than this. I was throwing up and they were saying Oh this bitch! and This bitch better not throw up on me.. LOS ANGELESShe remembers being dragged down Elm Street as she vomited, propped up by a young man and his pal who snickered and cursed her. PODCAST EPISODE 2 | WOMAN #1: I wasn't surprised, but there's also that shock value of kind of "oh my god, I knew it! A post shared by Your Own Backyard (@yourownbackyardpodcast) on Mar 27, 2019 at 8:45am PDT. Flores was home at the time and could be seen in. Paul Flores, 44, of San Pedro, was charged with murder, while his 80-year-old father faces a felony charge of being an accessory to a crime. It was turned over to a detective with the San Luis Obispo Sheriff's Office, but Garin Sinclair says, the Smarts never knew it existed until the Lassiters were deposed in January 1997. Paul Flores lived in this home from 1992 to late 1996, and sporadically throughout the years since. We would highly recommend that those people get in contact with us as soon as possible so we could investigate this further, he said. And it all came back to me. Paul Flores Nationality, Ethnicity. She did not walk away and dig herself a grave. Approximately a dozen San Luis Obispo and Los Angeles county deputies descended Wednesday morning on the home of Paul Flores, a suspect in the 1996 disappearance of Cal Poly freshman Kristin. She didn't think that was OK. The Charley Project said that Flores had been offered a plea deal involving a guilty plea for involuntary manslaughter with a six-year prison term. He says they are Ruben's ex-wife Susan and her boyfriend. Now several women say they were victims before and after her, too. JAMES MURPHY: In May of 96 were you a student at Cal Poly? Nothing in this portion of the documents states Thomas accepted the offer of immunity or provided any information to authorities. He returned later that Friday night and they drove to his friends home which Jane described as sparely furnished. They got to the parking lot of an apartment complex. Apparently one witness may be an Australian exchange student who returned home after finals and was unaware of the case. Not to be a cynic but the Republican DA faces a BLM challenge from an increasing Berkeley-esque electorate. James Murphy: Somebody found an earring that they say was Kristin Smart's jewelry in the driveway. 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