Notify me of follow-up comments by email. To begin, certain segments of the gay male culture are mysogenist in themselves, and someone like Teena did not belong there. Third case (I am a railfan, partial to freight trains going far, far away). Having agreed that Brandon is male your subsequent assertion either had to contradict that or was otiose. Ive watched the entire worlds moral compass go south and its by design. You people love to ignore using his correct prounons like one way to respect him is use HE AND HIM. Also, the only person who seems to have gotten through to Teena Brandon emotionally was Michelle Lotter, as a stronger gay woman, who had the position in the wolf pack that Teena wished she had. On top of that, Teena Brandons tragedy was shamelessly exploited to make money and everyone is waiting to be paid by the next Steven Spielberg. If you look closely, you will see some high school level lit about the medieval knights and Christmas, a photocopied notebook, and another notebook, into which Teena is writing. Please explain to me your interpretation of hermaphroditism and other conditions where the child is of ambiguous male/female categorization. Lotter is tall, 62, bigger than either Teena or Nissen. I think its possible to deserve the death penalty without it being right to administer it but this is a debate for another time. This is interesting, because she loudly bemoaned lack of facial hair, and her monthly periods. He also provides additional details of Teenas time with her gay cousins in Omaha. Violence against any woman is a terrible tragedy, but against her was especially tragic, given both, who she was and the circumstances under which it happened. If Nissen had raped other local girls before Teena and if pulling the pants off and groping was part of Nissens rape ritual, then Laux would have known this from his interviews of the previous rape victims. Required fields are marked *. A war on drugs but they just never disappear and no one see a flaw in that? But a court later reduced Richardson Countys liability. You seem to know much about the case. She was person unique not an identity or set of characteristics to be appropriated for socio-political discourse, who was appallingly murdered. RR, on Lana Tisdel and Her Mother: An Epilogue, 7 Unnerving Facts About the Lindberghs and the Kidnapping, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Greg Davis: Darlie Routiers No. Teena was running, both literally and figuratively. You know little to claim that it was a crime of ignorance. Lotter and Nissen, portrayed by actors Peter Sarsgaard and Brendan Sexton III, were already in prison for murder by the time the movies came out. Wanna follow Lana Tisdel's net worth? You be the judge. Had there been another victim, with no special characteristic, equally egregiously murdered, would that be any less worthy of concern? And as a gay man myself, I can say that weve had enough of having our stories heteronormalized to make people like you feel more comfortable. Great post. In his own mind he has forgiven Teena all her transgressions, and they were always the best of friends engaging in meaningful conversations. You shouldnt call him a girl or use she/her. I will choose, I will determine, how I express myself as I understand it relates to the world and its people. Cost is now certainly an issue in DP debate as it should be. Your email address will not be published. But a week later, when her father gave her a signed blank check to get a perm, Tisdel took it to a supermarket and filled it out for $250, the amount needed. At some point, Teena also introduced Tom Nissen to her sister. It just gets murkier and murkier until its a free for all like those two Australian pedophiles that were pimping out a 6 year old boy and seemed to think there was nothing wrong with it. RETIRED ME Put another way, plenty of bright perps, with above average IQs (this sites full of homicidal drs), also apparently exhibit moral indifference/failure so is IQ, of itself, relevant to culpability? BB: Thanks for your most engaging response. En dcouvrant la vrit sur Teena, ce dernier entre dans une rage meurtrire. She took more religion electives in school than she did art. But I do think its a waste of time and resources to cut a plea deal with one to get a death penalty for the otherbecause Lotter would obviously want to appeal on that basis. Thanks. I tried Facebook to look for someone on both sides but they dont want to talk about it anymore! It would be nice if people would voice their opinions, using some facts and logic as to how that opinion was reached, then listen to the opposition and the facts and logic from that side. After dinner, the others jumped him and beat him to a bloody pulp, and they robbed him. I cant believe he wasnt tried and convicted also. The truly informative articles are as follows: Eric Konigsbergs Death Of A Deceiver. This was actually an investigation, where multiple journalists interviewed many people, and Konigsberg is a Lincoln, NE native. ), you contradict yourself. Lana is residing in Kansas with her husband and kids. Donna Minkowitzs Love Hurts celebrates Teena Brandon as a cross-dresser, but if you read carefully, it gives good ringside detail of Teenas street-corner thuggishness and her involvement with the gay male cruising scene. L.L. Crooks are never going to say Yes,We blew them up for the gold reserve in 1 & 2 and did a little dance. During a Christmas Eve party, Lotter and Nissen forced Teena to take off his clothes in order to show everyone, including Lana, his genitals. Brandon : Lana, you are one cranky girl. Had he done his job they would have been in jail waiting to be bailed out. You stole the gun. No matter who pulled the trigger? Lana M. Tisdel (born May 28, 1975) [2] is an American woman whose early life and involvement with the December 1993 murders of Brandon Teena, Lisa Lambert and Phillip DeVine, at the hands of John Lotter and Tom Nissen, is chronicled in the 1998 documentary The Brandon Teena Story and the 1999 film Boys Don't Cry (which left out DeVine). Im going to practice social distancing because it seems that you might have an infected heart. See the difference? In addition, according to a State Police report, Teenas sister was trying to get her into a program that helps survivors of rape and domestic violence, and intake staff told her that Tom Nissen had raped other local girls and that the Shriffs Office had failed to prosecute Nissen and that at least two were in their program, so the program staff were aware of Nissen. Lana was one of the key witnesses in the case because of her status as Brandon's girlfriend. Her psychiatrist failed her, which is why there is no clinical literature about her case, her story did not enter clinical annals, the way boy who dreamt of wolves, and other interesting psychiatric patients did. Meanwhile, this persona made her screen debut in a short film named Boys Don't Cry in 1995, as Lana Tisdel. When Teena Brandon was driven back from the hospital after she was raped, the way she talked showed her mental illness and how her symptoms helped her survive prior abuse. I agree with Jude. Please attend to what I stated above: Im happy to refer to people as they wish so long as Im not asked to deny biological sex., This digressive exchange certainly illustrates that some need to consider the clarity of their writing and the sex/gender topic is precisely one that both illustrates the need for precision and those it eludes. Rather than rant, Ill simply state that Im perfectly content to use whatever pronoun a person would prefer, as the likely kind thing to do; and Brandon would seemingly have wished to be known as he. Listening to that sheriff interview Brandon makes me so angry. the fact she/he was abused sexually as a child has a lot to do with this and many other cases. Teena loved authority in the way of any good soldier who will fall in line and gladly stand at attention if the occasion calls for it. Teena Brandon used to dress up as a 1930s gangster, and when she dressed as a cowboy for the State Fair, the idea of being an outlaw appealed to her. Is everybodys IQ low in that town? HOUSING! Tough love. Lana : No. He once bolted from a courtroom trying to escape in shackles and got as far as the steps outside the Courthouse. She corrected him and told him that she was Teena. Tisdel died in 2007 at the age of 71. How can one be respectful of what is claimed [by one] to be imagined? You have no clue just how traumatized Teena Brandon was, how she was headed for statutory rape charges having to do with her dating and giving alcohol to fourteen year at age 20, 21, and little do you know, that had she made it to prison for the violation of probation charges, she had a chance of being involuntarily committed to a State Psychiatric Hospital. Teena was an awesome girl! One was trying to be happy in his own body and the other two supported him. There is a widely reported notion that Teena hated lesbians. (Its down for now.). Maybe someones mind could be enlightened if they opened it instead of walking away. WHERE ARE THEIR SECOND CHANCES AT LIFE??? Lotter, Nissen and Brandon. Cru: Theres certainly a perception, which I share, that the liberal left is trying to impose their ideology of inversion, where black equals white, etc; a phenomenon which has infected the West. Good point low intelligence is not an excuse for cruel behavior. The latter film, a surprise hit, helped raise awareness of the intolerance faced by people in the LGBT community. Thanks, Rebecca: What an appalling case! The quasi-medical needle is a dishonest compromise to render death more palatable to the public (and is not necessarily quick and painless the practical justification.) Lots of people oppose the death penalty both in moral and practical terms. BTW, I believe that part of the brutality and humiliation of what was done to her was done because she was successfully competing with Lotter and Nissen for dominance, and both liked her as a woman, and emotionally, Teena was really a traumatized girl. There is a noteworthy moment. Four times. THERE ANY USEFUL SUGGESTIONSOUT THERE,PLEASE? Everyone exploited Teena Brandons murder in the most disgusting way possible. And if he had any moments where he may have paused or fallen prey to repression along the way, is it any wonder, given the options facing him at the timeabandonment, incarceration or death? Too bad it wasnt the trailer park where Teena grew up (Brandon Teena story documentary films the wrong trailer park as well). And although I write as a Brit, ironically (as it has much traction in liberal America) its deeply un-American, not least because its anti-democratic. Maybe Teena Brandon saw John Lotter as a real world outlaw and looked up to him. DIFFERENT TIMES, & THE ATTACKS KEEP COMMING! Lana When Lana went to bail him out, she was told that Brandon had been placed in the women's jail; putting two and two together, she realized that, anatomically speaking, it could be possible that her boyfriend may actually be a she. Tisdel died in 2007 at the age of 71. This is important because Tom Nissen is a repeat rapist. Who here believes Lana Tisdel and her mother are the reasons for Brandon's death? 10 years ago, in Ca, it cost c $4.2 m each to exhaust appeals of DP offenders, over an average 20 years as appeals are multi-layered for capital offenders but less so for lifers. This was apparently with all of the censorship of social media on only one side of the conversation. Titre original: Boys Don't Cry Popularit: 11.214 Eric Koenigsberg writes in his article that Teena had such a fear of rejection, but what most fail to understand is that this rejection was not a rejection in intimacy, but a social rejection. Teena stands her up, takes Lisas car, picks up Lana, and drives her up to Lincoln to go drinking at bars. These men killed 3 people. Certain things ptecipitated violence that had nothing to do with transphobia. He offered some sort of an apology that is written in a totally contrived language. Find your friends on Facebook. The next article you should look at is Carolyn Gages The Inconvenient Truth About Teena Brandon, which gives a good account of Teenas psychiatric symptoms and why she was hospitalized, and has a great reveal in the end. 1 Antagonist. Lambert's son Tanner was in the house at the time and was unharmed. The documentary is also mendacious and hopeless. And if thats transphobic, so what? Thats all for this week. Dont you all find it strange, how the punitive legal franchise inherited from England that bullies and mishandles us all and stands beside the same Cabals Central banking scam is still called the Crown Temple Franchise and how it was forever passed through the ages Intact? Nor does surgery or chemicals change ones essence. It may look liberal, but is in fact deeply intolerant of naysayers because its origin is in the Left, which lectures, harries, then bullies us on how and what to think (it has to, as sensible people couldnt agree with its nonsense). For what? But theres a movement attempting to intimidate us into annexing language, and therefore thought, to its ideology (anticipated by Orwell in 1984). The time to care for Brandon was while he/she was still breathing, and in this it seems there just wasnt enough healthily adjusted people what ever their sexual proclivities. Lotter and Nissen had told Teena that if he told anyone what they did, they would kill him. There was a 1954 article measuring tomboyishness in girls and sissiness in boys growing up, 33% of boys have girlish traits and a whopping 66% of girls have boyish traits. She has a daughter and two sons and at least one grandchild. It is a gray and overcast day, and the three of them are either smiling for the photographer or they are grinning. According to Wikipedia, Forbes, IMDb & Various Online resources, famous Celebrity Lana Tisdel's net worth is $1-5 Million at the age of 45 years old. In the context of the above does it make sense that Teena starts showering seven times a day with a complete change of clothing? The mentally ill man then picked up something heavy and beat the grad student to death with it. Sister testified that she lied to Tom Nissen, because Teena asked her to. Your email address will not be published. Their reduced circumstances, however, havent stopped the pair from snagging love interests while behind bars. After that murder, American jailers were no longer allowed to lock up under age prisoners with grown ups. The film also starred Chloe Sevigny as his girlfriend Lana Tisdel. Name switch. Having said that, Teena Brandon talked about going to Nashville and becoming the manager of Lana Tisdels KARAOKE singing career. Lotter has admitted to stabbing Brandon because he thought he wasnt dead (and even if he didnt pull the trigger its not like he helped with the murders because Nissen was forcing him)so this is all moot. In 2007, Nissen made a surprise announcement that he, and not Lotter, actually fired the bullets that killed Brandon Teena, Phillip Devine, and Lisa Lambert.Lotter demanded a new trial on that basis, but he never got one. D'aprs un fait divers authentique. It is also noteworthy that Teena Brandon came from a FAMILY, meaning from a large extended family with ties that bind. I also know how Teena Brandon reacted to certain things, and she reacted as a girl. Was it because they thought it the right thing to do? While Im mindful that biological sex is fixed and significant (in the face of PC dross denying), I presume BT would wish to be referred to as male, and it seems churlish not to do so. I WAS TOLD, 6 OTHERS, THAT I believe that this is Teenas own research into her Celtic identity. Except, what homework? This implies nothing about how people should treat me, which I hope is decently and kindly, while I should be reasonable enough to accept that people cannot be *obliged* to accept and treat me as a woman in the contexts which impinge on their reasonable rights, such as to enjoy private space from males in using the lavatory or bathing (not that by any means all or even most women would be concerned, but some are, thus the clash of competing rights). John Lotter is most definitely at the head of the class on the Nebraska death row. Right on! Nissen later admitted that their original plan was to dismember Brandon, but they didnt have a chance to go through with it, according to court papers. In addition to that, Nissen has come to see the light in that woman making love to a woman is beautiful, while two guys making love is sick and revolting. He was dead when the Morning Shift came to the overnight cell to do the roll call. She worked physical labor at a lumber yard. Psychiatric instability, tumultuous family lives, absentee parents, trigger tempers, suicidal tendencies, foster homes, a fascination with lethal objects, juvenile detention, sexual promiscuity, substance abuse, crime (theft and attempted burglary for Lotter, arson for Nissen), prison.. Its an example of the distortion created by PC. Do you know who punches and kicks women in the stomach? None, because the multiple surgeries leave the person in no physical condition to run around in the field in combat boots. I read somewhere that John Lotter is on the intellectual level of an 8-year-old, which is old enough to know right from wrong. Who knows for sure? Brandons identity was irrelevant: all we need to know is some vicious thugs murdered him. Nissen drove your car you was passenger to hwy 105 Humboldt, Ne. thats literally transphobic. Both Lana Tisdel and Ton Nissen knew Teenas biological gender, because Teena told them. 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