Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. 1056 Bill K. Search: Cfe Blk Vs H110. Shooters World HEAVY PISTOL. Winchester 296 . 1720fps from 8 inch barrel. LC converted 1.350, 1067 fps When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. 892 fps. Hodgdon Tite Group. 1007 fps Should look something like this data: S Slowbolt Registered Joined Mar 26, 2022 8 Posts And 300 AAC BLACKOUT with BERGER 115 to 230 grain .30 caliber bullets. I've got a load worked up using both A1680 and H110 for my 8" gas gun build. 2.185 COL CFE BLK contains our Copper Fouling Eraser ingredient, originally used in military propellant, which greatly deters copper fouling and contributes to longer periods of top accuracy with less barrel cleaning time. For subs I was again interested in flash suppression and noise. Improved Military Rifle IMR 4227. ES in the hundreds. var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(ga, s); Rem 7 1/2 Shooters World SBR-SOCOM. I got like 5lbs of it for around $10-12/lb and its worked great for 125-150gr supers. Muzzle Velocity: 2,259 fps. No where did they have any VV powder and I wasn't going to drive around anymore than I already did. Chronoed using a magnetto. So, based on my tests, I now use Lil'Gun excluzively in my .357mag levergun loads. It may not display this or other websites correctly. 2500fps out of a 14.5" barrel. By comparison a sized empty case holds 24.5 grains of H110/296. I quite using H110 in 44 Mag, too much muzzle blast and flash and I can achieve the same velocity (in a revolver) with nearly half as much IMR 800x. 21.96, 22.00. Nonetheless if your ultimate goal is a higher velocity supersonic round I will concur that H110 or W269 is the preferred powder. I have VERY little imr4227 but I do have cfe blk, lil gun and accurate 1680. Starting with heavy supers where I have questioned their load data pressure claims before. Hodgdon H110. I use 20g and get just short of 2400 fps in a 16" barrel with no pressure signs at all. Hodgdon Lil'Gun. H110 is the powder that was used to make 30 carbine. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. Considering the low velocity this is encouraging. There is a possibility that the chronograph readings are not accurate. 774 fps My best CFE BLK load was 200 ft./s slower than my H110 load. Unfortunately, the majority of all 7.6239 cases are made of steel and feature a Berdan Primer. I just dont want to pay the hazmat and more powder if I can make these work. Barrel time. In this case, with 11.5 grains in the case, bullet seated on the powder, COL is 2.220. Work up. LC converted 1.350. I am also using 220 grain subsonic loads. It meters well, my Vintage RCBS powder measure was set up to throw 21.3 grains of 1680. This might end up being a very good powder for carbine gassed guns. (Thanks Trump for not pushing the hearing protection act through.) Lil' Gun along with H110/W296 (same powder) and AA1680 are all great powders for 300BLK. I also have some 130's to load up. AVG 1050 This spreads out the seating force over a larger area of the bullet jacket. That's impossible to get with a 10 grain load. This spherical propellant is designed expressly for the 300 Remington AAC Blackout cartridge and meters very accurately. Any thoughts on if it's worth the time and effort to try to work up a load with CFE BLK? by ThreeHundredBlackout Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:59 pm, Post The following is from a 10" test barrel using the 700 gr. I adjusted my die up in the press and its smoother but man its still marring the bullets with both seating stems. New CFE BLK shares this reduced fouling technology which was developed originally for the U.S. military. Have a supply of CFE BLK just in, and while it looks to be a little slow for the standard Hornet, it may work very well in the K-Hornet, especially with 45-50 grain bullets--which may or may not be worth it. It seems to throw high spreads until you get to 95% plus. It sucks for subs. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. Using H110 and Barnes Tac-TX 110gr for a supersonic load leaves me with enough confidence for whitetail at a reasonable distance, and it isn't too much . Look at thread number 8---- 38.0 grs. For sub its dirty and the velocity spread is too high for decent accuracy. Ramshot Enforcer. I know felt recoil is subjective, however, there is a noticable difference in both my carbine and rifle between the two powders. I am happy to say that from a 24 barrel there was no flash when suppressed. Improved Military Rifle IMR 4227. IMR 4198 does not meter well. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. I use mostly Hornady heads and I really like this caliber. FYI I have since found the 125gr FMJ #30196 is FAR better for cheap supers in the caliber, and loaded over 20gr of CFE BLK it is decent, but CFE BLK is better suited as a subsonic powder (or with the 110gr v-max), H110/W296 is FAR better for most supers, 18gr under that 125gr bullet crimped to the cannelure is accurate and IIRC at least 100FPS You may not reproduce original text or photos without advanced permission in writing. 11grn 2.040 COL. I will say that it has all the qualities inherent to 1680 that drove me to work hard to find a substitute. 21.98, 21.98 AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. Scan this QR code to download the app now. The following is from a 10" test barrel using the 700 gr. Thats a big benefit for varmint shooters, who may put hundreds of rounds through a barrel in a single day on the varmint fields. I reload 357 and 44 mag so therefore I have a good supply of H-110. CFE Pistol is not a magnum pistol powder. Obviously, the RPK can throw rounds much further, but not as accurate as a 7.6263 bullet. var _gaq = _gaq || []; We place limited powder inventory for sale on a regular basis on our website. Still at 50 yards, back to the original powder charge of 11.2 grains. WordPress Theme by Solostream. GRS. I just need to figure out if a different seating stem would fit the bullets better. The same case holds 26.3 grains of CFE BLk. But note, seating depth can make a significant difference in pressures. 16 SD, Original load, Hodgdon data. Ill drop the charge weight then. 2.255. 2.255 COL _gaq.push(['_setAccount', 'UA-6323545-2']); I use H110 for supers (110gr) and AA1680 for subs (180 and 208gr). We use it for everything from the 110's to 160+ grain bullets in our 10.5" barrels. Like everything else work up your loads slowly and you will find the sweet spot where your gun groups the best. H110 and WW296 are the same powder, different containers. and our No chronograph readings, I was shooting at night at very short distance. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Hodgdon CFE BLK. The initial loads in the original post were by the book. 208 Hornady Amax It provides full function in modern sporting rifles throughout a range of bullet weights and is perfect for subsonic loads. N110: Similar to Hodgdon H110 and Winchester 296. Ramshot Enforcer. By the end of 2016, you should find complete load data for CFE BLK on the Hodgdon Reloading Data Center at www.HodgdonReloading.com. 801 fps VEL. by alamo5000 Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:45 pm, Post Also good to use with Magnum revolver cartridges like the .357, .41, .44, .454 Casull and .500 S&W magnum cartridges. 208 Amax, 11 grains at 2.260. This powder does not compress easily. 11.2 gr. Although I had lock back on empty, I had possibly the highest ES/SD numbers in recorded history. 73802E56-837F-48A2-A7B4-AF21CA7EB748.jpeg, FF62D836-B35B-4269-9A64-85377653D7E4.jpeg. It's also pretty nice when suppressed due to a lack of residue buildup. So yes..your starting load will be the bullet seating on top of powder. The post is about my experience between H110 and Lil'Gun in .357mag used in 20" and 24" leverguns explaining that I switched powders for the much lower peak pressure advantage expecting to see a slight drop in velocities as is the case with Lil'Gun when used in pistol length barrels but instead I found I got a large velocity increase along with the expected lower peak pressure. But give it a try and let us know how it works. Accuracy in the inches at 50 yards. The Hodgdon loading guide for the 300 Blackout, 150 grn bullet, 16" barrel shows a max recommended load (20.5C grns) that only produces 33,500 PSI max pressure. The 300 Blackout's .30 caliber bullet can be made especially long, and as the result may weigh up . This is a modern smokeless powder suitable for a wide variety of popular cartridges. Sierra shows a max load of H110 slightly higher than Barnes - 20.5 gr. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. I put .025 compression on the powder. Hodgdon H4198. The group on the right of the pic below is much better than those numbers indicate. I just loaded at 22.5 and another at 22.0. That should do the trick for 44 Mag. I'm also hearing that people are having good results with CFE BLK but according to the burn rate chart CFE BLK is even slower thank A1680. Not being argumentative, just curious. 23 of 110 is hot as hell Im running 19 with the Barnes 110s and I thought that was stout. H110 is a rock star for 300 BLK. Almost all loads for this powder call for it to be compressed, some quite a bit. 300BO was and still is the only rifle cartridge I've ever reloaded. is the glorified version to run 110-220gr projectiles,sub & super sonic. JavaScript is disabled. 220 Hornady RN, 12.1gr CFE BLK, sig brass, cci 450. 1011 Again 5 shots at fifty, for reference that is a 1 dot. Barnes has load data for that bullet, but does not list CFE BLK. Really wish my chrono would not flake out at these higher rifle speeds. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - CFE BLK vs. H110 for 300 AAC Blackout for Short Barrel ARs Posted: 9/2/2018 10:02:19 AM EDT The 300 AAC Blackout delivers ballistic performance comparable to 7.6239, yet possesses a base diameter that optimizes functionality in an AR-type platform. Im getting the 2.05 COL now. 300 Blackout vs. 350 Legend. NEW CFE Pistol Reduced-Fouling Pistol Powder from Hodgdon, SHOT Show: Hodgdon Introduces New CFE223 Powder, Hodgdon Claims New CFE223 Ball Powder Deters Copper Fouling, New Redding Powder Measure for Small Varmint Cartridges, New 2012 Hodgdon Reloading Manual Coming Soon. H110 is optimized for .30 Carbine. Awesome, thanks. All the way to the max of 23.7. It looks about like you would expect given the velocity spreads. Moreover, CFE BLK is perfect for subsonic, reduced loads. It woukd be hard to raise pressures to dangerous levels with this powder. So far Hodgdon CFE BLK is the best powder for this round IMO. Ill find out! CFE BLK contains our Copper Fouling Eraser ingredient, originally used in military propellant, which greatly deters copper fouling and contributes to longer periods of top accuracy with less barrel cleaning time. But for sub-sonic loads I have found IMR 4227 under a Barry's 220gr and Accurate 1680 under a Maker 220gr REX work better and are quieter than than similar velocities with the same bullets driven by H110. A first look at the new Hodgdon CFE BLK powder for 300 blackout. and it gave 1,225 fps at 39,700 psi and a ES of 16 fps. I am working with Lil' Gun right now working up loads for a new addition for me, 458 SOCOM. 300 AAC Blackout (7.62 x 35 mm) (300 BLK) 125 gr. It may not display this or other websites correctly. For a powder that was hyped as cleaner, quieter, less flash and any other thing you would expect in a powder specifically blended for a cartridge, it came up more than short. The maxorder quantity of any powder SKU is, https://shop.hodgdon.com/sites/www/files/2022-04/2022-Hodgdon%20Spherical%20Pow. JavaScript is disabled. by alamo5000 Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:35 pm, Post Pistol SET YOUR SIGHTS ON PISTOL RELOADING DATA Find what you need in four easy steps. Shooters World BLACKOUT. I did not want the 18 to go super( ). Email ( required; will not be published ). The change in the group from last week to this reflects that. I almost quit after two rounds. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. . Im guessing the tac-tx Ive got will do the same thing. I use H110 under 110gr Vmax bullets and get 2100fps out of an 8.5 inch barrel . ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? In this article [] March 27, 2020 Gavin Reloading Blog 300 BLK, 300 BLK Subsonic, 330 AAC Blackout, 45 ACP, 9mm parabellum, AR-10, AR-15, Berry's 220 grain 300 Blackout Spire Point, Berry's Manufacturing, Berry's . Share the post "New Hodgdon CFE BLK Powder Great for Small Cartridges", Tags: .221 Fireball, AR, AR16, Ball Powder, CFE 223, CFE BLK, Copper Fouling Eraser, Data Center, Hodgdon, Reduced Fouling. WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. NOTE: Despite the BLK in the name, this is a NOT a black powder substitute. Sign up to get updates and access to exclusive promotions. I use H110 for supers only. I love my H110 for supers with my 110g V-Max. New Starline 300 Blackout Cases. The others were fine in the bolt, but AR reliability dropped significantly with subs with H110 and 4227. One of the top two holes of the 18 barrel was a flyer by me, the other was I am sure just the load. In addition, Hodgdon reports that CFE BLK performs superbly in many smaller-capacity cartridges, in particular varmint cartridges such as the .17 Hornet, .17 Ackley Hornet, .218 Bee, .221 Fireball. For more information, go towww.P65Warnings.ca.gov. It also yields top performance in the 6.8 Remington SPC and the 7.62X39 mm Russian cartridge. It was reasonably overcast when shooting, with plenty of snow. 56 ES Hodgdon has announced a new faster variant of its popular CFE 223 powder. In a carbine gas I think it has some real potential. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); 2023 Day At The Range. I've only used LilGun. The 300 is very close to the 30 carbine so that is why it is used. The original CFE 223 propellant was formulated for reduced copper fouling (CFE in the name refers to Copper Fouling Eraser). 21.88, 22.08 It was designed for the 9mm and the 40 but will work in the 10mm. 150gr Speer Gold Dot (BLK variant) 2.255" Hodgdon CFEBLK 22.8gr 2025fps 25.2gr 2250fps 150gr Speer Gold Dot (BLK variant) 2.255" Accurate 1680 21.3gr 1925fps 23.7gr 2150fps 150gr Speer Boattail Soft Point 2.255" Hodgdon CFEBLK 23.2gr 2075fps 25.8gr 2300fps 150gr Speer Boattail Soft Point 2.255" Accurate 1680 21.7gr 2000fps 24.1gr 2225fps I started this load like I do many. Improved Military Rifle IMR 4198. I debated it but the guy at Hidgon thought Id be fine unless I was trying to push the velocity beyond what I really need in a 7 pistol. Always let your loads stand for at least an hour and re measure the COL. - Lowell George. CFE BLK vs. H110 for 300 AAC Blackout for Short Barrel ARs - AR15.COM AR-15 AR Pistols Site Notices TNVC vSHOTT 2023 Livestream MAR 21-23 - Win a TNVC Custom Cobalt Kinetics CK-PRO Rifle! So a little different than you are asking but I leave the H110 for the 44 mag. Hodgdons new CFE BLK (named after the .300 AAC Blackout cartridge) has a faster burn rate than the original CFE 223. . I've loaded the 300Whisper's multiple leade angle chamber designed for the 220-240gr projectiles since it's inception 30+ years ago & to date. Always start low. And I can attest to the fact it does a number on rock chucks. I chose a load from the on line load data. It is just too loud for me and there are to many better choices. 11.5 Grains 2.195 COL. It is cross-compatible with 223 Rem/5.5645 magazines. I dont have any h110 right now. If you're looking for a multi-purpose load for the .300 AAC Blackout, this may be the best bullet. It's interesting that Hodgdon shows 20g is max load, but Hornady shows 20.2g. CFE BLK I have always had good luck with H110 and WW296 for that case . The H110 produced a sharp crack recoil in my leverguns while the Lil'Gun produces a longer, stronger recoil. I thought Lil' Gun , while a great powder, was "known" as a throat burner powder.. running hotter then other choices. Shooters World HEAVY PISTOL. Nope, I don't load 300 BO at all. 2.255 COL, 8 barrel pistol gas AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. Here's a simple task you can do that will give your seater die a more perfect fit to your match bullets. I have all four and find each has it's strengths with different weight and style bullets. By 150 grains they are neck and neck. A little more tuning on this load and it will be time to stretch it out. The group on the left, starts showing some promise. The Hodgdon loading guide for the 300 Blackout, 150 grn bullet, 16" barrel shows a max recommended load (20.5C grns) that only produces 33,500 PSI max pressure. Originally Posted by Varmint Shooter. Any experience with CFE BLK in magnum revolvers? I was going to Houston anyway but it's a big city with lots of traffic. I dont really shoot subs so Im sticking with H110/W296 for now for my 125 TNT and 147-150gr FMJs. Loading up cheap and quiet subsonic 300 blackout using gallant bullets with CFE BLK powder in mixed head stamp converted brass. Hodgdon Trail Boss. Brass fresh from the tumbler (well maybe 6 mos ago). Mar 13, 2019. _gaq.push(['_trackPageview']); Definitely worth a try. 1040 It will be a very good powder for carbine length systems and probably lighter bullets. (Note H110 & W296 are the same as of 2008 as is HP-38 & W231) (IMR 4227 is same as H-4227 if made in Australia).458 SOCOM From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (from Starline Brass) 458 SOCOM Brass (Large Pistol primer) 1.569-1.576 O.A.L. Hodgdon H322. I use W296 only for supers. I know getting your choice of powders is tough right now, but maybe CFE isn't the best choice for that bullet weight. Another round today and almost there, ready for fine tuning. Spent a little more time with CFE today, learning the quirks of the powder. I have probably written it off as a short barrel/pistol gas powder. In all honesty I do not shoot enough 1680 as a sub powder to compare the two without loading and shooting them side by side. When 350 Legend debuted, Winchester claimed it was the fastest straight wall cartridge ever released. Cartridge Overall Length: 2.02 inches. "Their answer is that no, it burns at the same temperature as H110". interesting. If they are growing, you have too much compression. 'https://ssl' : 'http://www') + '.google-analytics.com/ga.js'; After reading the threads posted I felt more comfortable compressing the load to the 2.050 COL. 8 barrel If you want maximum velocity, try Alliant 300MP. Hodgdon Lil'Gun. Despite this huge disparity in pressure, muzzle velocity of the three is about the same (1,940, 1,971, and 1,899 FPS). Rem 7 1/2 primer The S.A.A.M.I. I haven't tried cfe blk or h110 yet, but lilgun and imr 4227 work good in my 14" AR. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Cookie Notice vs 20.2. H110 made sense to me since I load .357 sometimes. This is the results of five shots. I'm running 20.5gr with 110's. I could drop .5gr powder to lower the load to the minimum but I doubt it would then not deform the bullets. Its a very dense powder. You could try seating a bullet with no powder and see how the bullet looks . Hodgdon H110 $38.99 - $291.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon CFE 223 $39.99 - $297.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon H335 $39.99 - $294.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon H4831SC $54.99 - $345.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon CFE Pistol $36.99 - $262.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon Longshot $36.99 - $277.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon CFE BLK $39.99 - $297.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon RETUMBO $54.99 - $391.99 Hodgdon Both of those work very well. Vintage Boxes - Gear, Shell, Case, Primer, Group Buys Design, Active , Waiting and Archives, Closed Buys/Waiting for delivery/in shipment, If this is your first visit, be sure to I use CFE BLK (12gr) for 220gr subsonics. 18.5/H110/125 Sierra SP grouped in 1/2--3/4" range from my Contender . I dropped the charge .3 grn because I wanted to test velocity in both an 8 pistol gas system and an 18 carbine. There was one odd round that had a very low velocity. PwrPro 300-MP H110 296 H4227 IMR - 4227 AR - 2205 A - 5744 A - 1680 680 N - 120 H4198 IMR - 4198 200 AR - 2207 2000 A - 2200 LT-32 REL - 7 AR - BMk1 H - 322 A - 2015 AR - 2219 Benchmark IMR - 3031 A - 2230 X-Terminator REL-10x 201 AR - BMk2 3000 N - 130 A - 2460 Sp10 BLC (2) 748 N - 133 300 Blackout 220 GR SIE HPBT Hodgdon CFE BLK .308" 2.260" Starting Loads Maximum Loads CALIBER BULLET WEIGHT MANUFACTURER POWDER BULLET DIAMETER C.O.L. Not impressed would be the word of the day. Much of the effectiveness of that round relies upon its 3,000 feet per second . Well damn. Not quite 1680 loud, but considering the amount of snow on the ground to absorb the noise it was slightly obnoxious. A forum community dedicated to Ruger firearm owners and enthusiasts. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. One new winner* is announced every week! Enter your cartridge and bullet weight, and the site will list Min and Max loads. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. 1064 More shooting will sort that out. . Shooters World SBR-SOCOM. I have had trouble before with sunny and snow being too bright. by alamo5000 Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:54 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. When we are sold out, we are sold out. While the S.A.A.M.I.-recommended maximum overall cartridge length is 1.680 inches, my Marlin 1894 feeds 1.720-inch-long rounds without a hitch. The 300AAC B.O. Moderators:gds, bakerjw, renegade, bamachem, Post In my 300 blk bolt action CZ 527 with 16" barrel, I had better chrono data and groups with 1680 and Lil gun than I did with CFE blackout for the 220 grain subsonic loads I typically shoot. hardcast loaded to 2.250". I'm also hearing that people are having good results with CFE BLK but according to the burn rate chart CFE BLK is even slower thank A1680. The CFE Pistol is made for 9X19, 40, 38 Super and such. Not sure what weight you are using but I am using it in a 16 carbine length adjustable direct impinge gas system. 300 Blackout Journey Page 7 Hammer Of Thor, 300 Blackout Journey Page 10-Competition Electronics Digital Link, Reloading 300 Blackout: Ruger American Ranch Rifle 300, I Am Coming Out: 308 Subsonic AR10 vs AR15 300 Blackout 200gr Hornady ELD-X, Comprehensive Corrosion Test: 46 Products Compared, Waltz, DRock, PacoAcuRzr resizing dies bulk 22LR testing, A tribute to William Mike Willard of Swamp Fox Ammunition, The Original 10mm Ammo Made By FFV NORMA AB ?S-670 40 AMOTFORS ? Please accept my apologies for not reading your entire post.Im just some nobody online so dont get bothered by me. I need to drop some speed, these were cracking at 25 degrees. by alamo5000 Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:54 pm, Post Sierra Jacketed SP BC: 0.338 2.100" OAL SD: 0.226 Sugg Max StartingVelocity Pressure Load Velocity Pressure Powder Grains FPS Grains H110 Lil Gun . driven every kind of rig that's ever been made, driven the backroads so I wouldn't get weighed. Still a fair amount of gas. Only powders I've used for BLK so far is 1680 and H110, under 150gr Hornady FMJ BTs. For lightweight supers the density is too high and yeah you'll be compressing even at starting load. CFE BLK Should Be on Dealers Shelves in January 2017 Hodgdon says the starting load of cfe blk for that Hyd 110 vmax is 22.5C The 'C' after a load means 'compressed'. All Rights Reserved. I would of expected more velocity in 10 of barrel. The powder is growing on me in a carbine gas system. Sounds like a good group, and a lot of powder. Just to add more interesting stuff to the mixI ordered a little bottle of Puff-Lon to see what I can do. They literally explode. Last weeks load of 11 grains at 2.255 had an ES just over 200 fps. A H110 18.8 2259 40600 20.0 2382 50600 C A H110 18.8 2220 39300 20.0 2348 50800 C The added burn time, longer dwell really tames the noise and cuts down on the amount of powder blow back. 240 SMK Zeroed it at 50. "Sometimes - those who dont socialize much arent actually anti-social They just have no tolerance for drama, stupidity, and fake people". IMR 4227 is a lot closer to that original powder, and it works well in 300 Blackout. The carbine gas system was not so bad, cycled and locked back with no problem. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 800 fps By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - CFE BLK vs. H110 for 300 AAC Blackout for Short Barrel ARs. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/406443/Screenshot_2019-05-14_at_6_52_41_AM-944706.png. It's exactly this velocity drop that caused folks to start looking at alternatives to the 5.56mm NATO projectiles. H110/W296 can give me more velocity with lighter bullet weights. CFE BLK Meters Well and Burns Clean It provides full function in modern sporting rifles throughout a range of bullet weights and is perfect for subsonic loads. It is likely bolt speed and compressed powder moving the bullet forward due to moving faster on an empty mag. We do not take backorders and our Tech Services team cannot take orders via email or phone. Accurate 1680 is good for subs and h110, cfe blk, imr 4227 and lil gun work good for supersonic loads. 1049 Im right in the middle of the load data. Vv powder and i really like this caliber than i already did that shows... 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