Rick- Car in heated garage unlocked?? The pump will stop automatically in 3 or 4 seconds. I don't see that though. OK, you turn the key and it continues to crank. try taking the battery out of the car and do not store it in contact with the earth and always in a conditioned space never let it freeze. It will not start but . Its in my driveway and trying just to get it started to get it to dealership. Make sure you have strong battery. The crankshaft sensor can go bad as well. Brand new battery. Update: I cranked the Abarth for 15 seconds. Crank, but nothing. That is RIDICULOUS, Cheryl. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Mine did. Any dealer should know to check the battery first here. The brake and wheel are stiffer because the car isn't running. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Youll see a security warning when trying to crank the engine, though. This is what the spark plug looked like when I pulled it out. Starters might not be your issue. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Only crank the starter 15 seconds at a time. If you can hear the "click" of the solenoid without the starter turning, then it's quite possible the starter solenoid contacts have eroded down enough that sitting for a week has added just enough corrosion to prevent engaging the starter. like a switch or gear shift interlock, etc). Here's what worked: 1. Here's the thread I had (in the engine and technical forum) on the issue. To start a conversation, click our username then select the start a conversation button and send us your make, model year, and mileage for us to review. Charge the battery. Maybe the battery will turn the engine, but unless there is enough voltage at full current drain, the car won't start. If there appears to be green or white on them or the terminals, cleaning them may be what your 500 needs to get back on the road. I have cranked it over about 100 times and just free spinning. There is a port on the brick that you can get to from the oil cap hole to press down to get more oil in that way also. Fiat "500" Stainless door sills by Mopar. A lot of early 500's had bad batteries. Broken back is a miserably long and painful recovery process. Your dealer, is it Alfa/Fiat of Providence, RI, by any chance? So, check the fuel pump fuse and replace it if found blown off. It is a flaw of the MA brick absolutely, it is not the norm for any engine with an intake cam. The intake valves are actuated by oil pressure in the multi-actuator in that head.. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. In this video I show some of the ways I test and diagnose a no crank no start condition on a vehicle. Check the connections, try jumping it, or swap in a new battery. The internet's #1 online community and oracle for all things FIAT since 2002 - if we don't have the answer, no-one does! 124 RED SPIDER MANUAL ABARTH. Turn the key off, then perform 2. again. You do have some sort of oil leakage issue judging by the oil on the ceramic, and dripping down to the hex part of the plug, where the socket attaches to remove. Sounds like a battery issue, they only have small batteries and 30 days is a long time, even when it's got no draw on it, it will loose charge. I cranked it for an extended time and TaDa it fired up and ran fine. I was one of the unlucky that couldn't get their car to start and had to have it towed to dealership. I have had not had this issue, keep us informed and let us know how it goes. They got me for 250$ because my spark plugs were "fouled" allegedly at 30 k miles and wouldn't proceed with fixing my car that didnt fire like this without changing the plugs first and I was out of the country. Waited a couple of minutes and did it again and it started. You need to use a conditioning charger such as an Optimate. There was juice to the instrument panel and the lights looked strong but I jumped the car anyway with my Tundra. pull the relay that is a safety to prevent start if the clutch is not in and jump it. Sport mode being on with default startup of the car. The owners manual states to start the car every few weeks to prevent this. Join our community to talk about all things Fiat 500 related. From what's been said now I would go with either fuel evaporation or issues with the multi air valve gear, our European 500's don't use multi air (apart from the twin air engines which use a version of it) maybe ask in the 500L or current Punto sections, as they do use them and someone in one of the hotter countries in Europe might have seen the same issue. So you would experience that the car won't start even after replacing the fuel pump. The only thing odd about the start was that much more smoke came out of the exhaust than I'm used to seeing, and it stank. Batteries have an internal resistance plus connection resistances. This makes it more challenging for thieves to steal them. JavaScript is disabled. We are having the same problem and we have a newer battery. You want to do it in intervals. If the engines ability to fire the spark plug at the right time is called timing. Fuel pump comes on when key is in ignition. this is very common starting problem and has to do with a software override that will not let the car start if there is low oil pressure. Glad to hear they identified the problem, sounds like indeed it's the same as mine - I wonder if we'll see a spate of this problem on just-over-one-year-old US Fiats. Looks as if there maybe a TSB on the re flashing of the PCM. Thanks for your help guys! Oct 4, 2017. I am also going to check for a seized alternator that I was reading somewhere in this forum. this has been going on since i purchased the car new in 2012..500 POP standard trans. I know there have been some posts made about no-start problems after Spiders have sat for a period of time. Show More. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. According to some googling, apparently this is a common issue - something about a starter solenoid? SEE, I think it's a 15 pin plug and two wires change on the plug fro 95 to. starter has seen a lot of use). It may take longer than 3 or 4. 1. Check out our discussions on the Fiat 500, Abarth, 595, engine specs, MPGs and more! All - Answered by a verified Auto Mechanic. I'm running out of ideas. Faulty ECM Do check the ECM once the fuel pump is changed. If it is manual make sure you press the clutch all the way, if it is an automatic is the transmission properly in the P or N position? Fiat 500 no start or crank fix. Here you can discuss Abarth, turbo & tuning, service, specs, maintenance plus more! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Show Less. Or, you can beat the starter with a hammer. This article is written with the assumption that you are looking for a way to get your Fiat 500 started now, and is meant to provide you with practical advice to help aid in the diagnosis. A loose connection to the battery can cause it too. WILWOOD front breaks, Fiamm 66020 air trumpets, hood struts, ANDROID AUTO(S10), ROARPEDAL takes away the lag, 124 Spider Battery Expert and Consultant. I guess someone is pointing at a lack of oil to operate the valves? How old is your car? First, is your 500 cranking over at all (the engine spins when you turn the key? I told them what the ussue was on day one. Any help would be greatly appreciated. All I can attest to is that it wouldn't start no matter how many time I tried until I put oil in through the top. Progress Springs, EC V4 intake and Intercooler, DV+ diverter valve, TR Motorsports FF10 wheels, Pirelli Pzero+ 215/45/17, GWR full Abarth Exhaust, Wilwood BBK, Redline Goods shifter and E-brake boot. I know this is common issue with the Multi-Air 1.4s. The dealer was saying something about something being painted not allowing for a proper ground. Turn the ignition to the first position. A split second it sounds like its going to catch and then it just whines like free spinning. Just a very faint soft "click" that you could only hear if you put your head in the hood while someone else tried to start it. Depending on the season (we are in northwest Ohio) one of them becomes my daily driver, the other sits. I used an oil pump to suck oil out through the dipstick tube and replaced it with the same amount of fresh oil. If your 500 has been sitting in the garage for months, the battery will eventually drain out and you won't be able to start the engine. You're trying to build up oil pressure to the cylinder head. Messages. 2012 FIAT 500 Sport- Azzurro/Marrone, 5 speed manual. Don't give up. ever notice how the relays kick on when you open the door? The manual warns about it. Sport mode being on with default startup of the car. Not unusual at the 100k mark if you tend to make lots of trips every week (i.e. (sitting at the airport for than a month at at time) imagine that!!! Suspect the alternator if the battery light stays on after charging your cars battery or jumping it. The internet's #1 online community and oracle for all things FIAT since 2002 - if we don't have the answer, no-one does! Alternatively, you can test the battery yourself with a voltage meter. JavaScript is disabled. I'm pretty sure this car was purchased in December 2016 or January 2017, so in terms of warranty I'm SOL. To the OP. There is a procedure to get oil back up into the MA brick after long storage. i use a power cut-off switch to keep a charged battery, but after more than 30 days away, the car will not start unless i push-start it..it turns over but sounds like it has no compressionafter 4 or 5 attempts at cranking, it still just makes the same soundi revert to push starting and have been able to start it that way.Detroit customer service has no answers for me and my dealership told me i should buy a different car..they said this car wasn't designed for my driving needs. Stereo keeps playing after my car is turned off. I tried to find a real stick to force my daughter to learn to drive one but it was very difficult to find one near northwest Ohio with the rest of the options I wanted. You are using an out of date browser. Would hurt to press the brake try to shift to neutral. . any help? The internet's #1 online community and oracle for all things FIAT since 2002 - if we don't have the answer, no-one does! I have a 2013 Abarth. 2020 Abarth, Manual Transmission, Bose/Navigation, Veleno, Convenience, Record Monza. Not sure what to make of it, first time doing this. Join our community to talk about all things Fiat 500 related. Most modern vehicles come with smart keys that have electronic protection built in. No start. It is indeed a starter issue. We invite you to join the largest Fiat 124 Spider forum community & owners club! If your 500 isnt getting enough fuel, or any fuel at all, it may have a bad fuel filter or a bad fuel pump. When a starter goes bad, they will usually not give you much warning at first. Soo instead of cranking forever try cranking for 10-20 seconds, wait 30-60 seconds, repeat. Been fine now for 4 years now. It is about 7oz but not a huge deal with how this engine uses oil in general. Yes I am in the US. s. Cleaned them up, reinstalled everything, drained and refilled the oil. When applicable, weve listed the common trouble code(s) associated with the cause. 2017 Fiat 124 Spider Elaborazione Abarth A/T. 2011,the beginning of 2012 models. Sometimes youll get lucky and itll catch. Perform a compression test and, if good, check if the plugs are sparking. I just need to get it started so I can drive it to Fiat dealer to get the flash for the PCM, how old is your battery my 13 sport did same would crank but not start I replaced battery with new one and she fired right up good luck, Did it have a sound of no compression? I have been trying to engage the starter for about 4 seconds at a time ..maybe about 4 tries using this techniquethen i resort to push startingif i can find a parking attendant that is willing to help meafter 2 or 3 tries of popping the clutch, it has fired uphowever the power steering is inop until i reboot the power again..i think that is from the cutoff switch yeah, Russ, i was thinking the same thing about if I had tried cranking it a few more times b4 resorting to push starting, that it would have fired up .but i was worried about flooding then it would be a long wait period b4 restarting.or change the flooded plugsi just dont understand the engine peramitters and the design concept even Fiat can't give me an answer that's what is soooooo frustrating i appreciate your time.thanks. Check out our discussions on the Fiat 500, Abarth, 595, engine specs, MPGs and more! It may not display this or other websites correctly. You must log in or register to reply here. The dealer told me that they have had a number of reports of the same thing and the new cars in their lot they regularly have to take a booster battery to start them. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Now trying to find out if I will recover from my broken back so I can drive it again? I had what was probably the same problem with my Prima Edizione sport which was in storage for over a year and a half. My problem seems to have some of the elements of all of these "won't start" issues. I put in a new battery and it fired right up ,I also think our cars a very sensitive to voltage from battery again let us know how u make out. Or is the starter not engaging (you may hear a clicking sound)? I'll just be picky on days I choose to drive it. Sounds like a bad relay. Hope you get to the bottom of it! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. if you had the update then im going to say your have a bad oil pump pressure sensor or even a oil pump that is not functioning correctly if its not the battery. I promise you. I've read pretty much all the threads on this and it's actually happened to me last season and I was able to fix it by simply doing an oil change which was necessary anyway. FIAT only has 46K miles on it. happened twice. Oil from the valve train drain down to the oil pan. Yes, having a little extra oil on top from the pour in may have helped with it sucking through that same check valve you have to fill it with. Ask questions in the forums, fix common issues using our helpful guides, upload your photos to the gallery or buy and sell with the online classifieds. Russ, I don't know the brand name of the pump, but it's pretty typical and nothing special. If the battery is dead, it either isnt storing enough voltage or it isnt charging enough. It took a lot of pumping to get the flow started and the oil moved slowly through the tube. I'll have to give it another try soon. I have also removed the battery and battery box and checked the grounds. Bad cells. Had transmission rebuilt (Pro).My problem is that when it gets around 35, 8L90E Specs, Performance, and Identification, TH400 Transmission Specs, ID, and Common Problems, Fiat Bravo Not Starting: Causes + How to Fix, Fiat Fremont Not Starting: Causes + How to Fix, Mazda 6 P0320: Meaning, Causes, & Diagnosis. if fiat dealer admits its a problem then i despair because this could be a major problem if it gets out. Thanks "smark". Thats why it is so important to check everything. I was always tempted to use the passenger doors for general in + outery. i use a power cut-off switch to keep a charged battery, but after more than 30 days away, the car will not start unless i push-start it..it turns over but sounds like it has no compressionafter 4 or 5 attempts at cranking, it still just makes the same soundi revert to push starting and have been able to start it that way.Detroit customer service has no answers for me and my dealership told me i should buy a different car..they said this car wasn't designed for my driving needs. if the car has been sitting for more than a month, you will have to just crank it and crank it repeatedly to build up oil pressure for the multiair system. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Good information. The car sat for two weeks and although it started on the first crank, it did idle super rough. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Great car, fun for my wife to drive. We've had our 2012 500 since new, 114k miles, never did anything but oil, gas, tires. and forgot to mention my car had been sitting for over a month without starting it up ,also all the warning lights were flashing like crazy. She's a 2012 model, only got 30km on it, pretty sure the battery is fine. Has the car been sitting perhaps a few weeks? If it is a personal concern, you can suck it out of the pan and re use. The codes will likely be related to the potential issues listed below. They were able to get the car started, but when they turned it off, it would not start again. At one point, they didn't call me back for over a month, and I was calling them every single day. I read through some of them trying to find an answer or fix since mine wouldn't start as well. Glad to hear they are taking care of you and the issue. Well I took my abarth out today after Its foray long winter hibernation and I can attest that it would not start until I got some oil in the top end - meant draining and refilling - then fires up on second crank surprisingly disappointed - oil pump design is not good Has nothing to do with the oil pump, it will get there eventually. your dealer has an updated you should have been notified by mail. Replace the battery. I imagine the tires won't be happy with low temperatures, but is there a risk of damaging them if driven gently? You are using an out of date browser. My Fiat 500 won't start, and it keeps making noises like it's trying to turn on but it won't start. It's the ground for the started that causes this no start issue. Now it won't start at all. Fouled would be black, sooty and moist. I put key in the ignition and turn to start, I can hear the fuel pump and for a very split 1/2 second it sounds like it may turn over, but then goes into a whining no compression/no spark sound. Here are the common issues that can cause your 500 to crank but not start. Great info jbbdc!. This engine uses oil for lots of things and some of those things lose a little in the process. There was a small article in What Car today about a new 500L needing to be started after having a flat battery, twice, so this looks like a chronic problem that Fiat needs to address. Battery seemed to measure fine before charging. JavaScript is disabled. I tried to start the car every two or three weeks to avoid this but I've just gotten too busy in the last few months. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Versatile Solutions Inc., Suite no 10301, 94 Solaris Avenue, Camana Bay, Cayman Islands. I'd start with the basics. There's a little more than a 1/4 tank of fuel in it. any help? I simply charged the battery (left it on an intelligent charger overnight) and it fired up the next day. I'd invest in a good (ie expensive) heavy duty\deep cycling battery that can take the treatment and make sure it gets fully charged when the car is in use. Simple tests such as checking the battery with a voltage meter or scanning it with an OBD II scanner can really narrow down your list of potential causes. Look in the manual. Fiat 500 wont start new batt, alt,starter 6 Answers. DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED ? If you had walked up, put 200ml in that hole, it would have started first crank. This did happen to my wife's 500C recently. I haven't tried to start it again today. Do you remember the repair cost of the engine work? Ask questions in the forums, fix common issues using our helpful guides, upload your photos to the gallery or buy and sell with the online classifieds. I finally found out why my 2012 fiat 500 sport with 48000 miles on it wouldn't start sometimes and sometimes it would fiat dealer didn't have a clue. I truly need some advise. This looks like an old thread, but I had this problem after our 500 sat in the sun for 3 months. I replaced the battery, and checked all the fuses. FORGE VALVE V4.1 Euro-drive-lite- RACE + map, NGEN Coils and PTP turbo blanket, catch can, REMUS Axleback with Carbon Fiber tips. Michelin Pilot Sport 3 Plus tires, STS rear sway bar, Euro+Drive NA 500 Tune, BMC reusable air filter and Spare Tyre with cover. I don't plan to let the car sit long in the future, but if I run into this problem again, I'm going to use the same technique that worked for me. 17 Abarth, manual, luxury group, Rosso Red. Our car sits in a heated garage. 10k km in and no issues since. http://batteryuniversity.com/index.php/learn/article/types_of_lithium_ion, Stereo keeps playing after my car is turned off. Just pouring oil in won't put any oil directly into the brick. When there is no spark, the engine will not start. Many different issues can cause the problem. 687 views, 16 likes, 0 loves, 4 comments, 4 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from Khanta: Mel K - Andrew Sorchini - Preparing for the Global Pivot Away from. Broken cam belt? The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. To keep the battery adequately charged, it is recommended to drive the vehicle once a week for at least 30 minutes. They didn't listen and it cost them a loaner for three weeks. Bulletins exist for crank/no start and no crank/no start. If it starts up, you know the problem. If you do take it to the dealer, change the spark plugs before you go. Yesterday, I tried to start it and it turns over really fast like it has no compression. It just simply will not start the frustrating thing about it, The dealership is not helping me, they barely call me back every time we talk they don't whats going on. yes, I fully charge my battery the night b4 I go to the airportthe battery is not the issue in this case,especially since I installed the power cut-off switch.. Well, if it's not the battery, it must be something else then. Immediately restarted it again and all was good. I already have winter tires for my Giulia. There are many things that can cause this - the clutch/starter interlock, dead or intermittent battery, bad battery connection, etc., etc., etc. They can get sticky if not fired up on a regular basis. My 2012 Fiat 500 Mutliair 1.4 liter engine with automatic transmission would not start after sitting for an extended time. I can smell fuel after a while, So i am now thinking this is a no spark related issue. Use an OBDII scanner to check and see if the engine has thrown any trouble codes. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. I let it idle for about 5 seconds to ensure some oil made it to the electro-hydraulic actuators and shut it down. Make sure the battery is facing in the right direction when inserting it. It took me leaving it three weeks at their service department after having it towed to them twice to diagnose it correctly. They are the worst. Staffed M-F 7:30am-5:30pm EST by the Stellantis Social Engagement Team. Immediately restarted it again and all was good. So I'm having trouble starting the car after it sitting in the garage for a few months. Further, if the car had been sitting for a month, what might make that happen? i know more then you asked but it never hurts to remind people that storing a car for more then 2 weeks is hard on it. NO SOUND ANYWHERE AT ALL. Heres a great diagnostic chart that can walk you through diagnosing why a vehicle wont start. I am fortunate enough to have both a California and a FF and neither of them goes dead in 30 days, let alone a week. One of the most significant issues that will cause a vehicle to crank but not start are ignition issues. Actually looks pretty good. First time required 6-7 times cranking to get it started. Dont just check the extra vanity mirror lights. It can take surprisingly long to start up. The car has a new Battery, Alternator, Starter. It is due to the Multi-Air brick needing oil to function and it drains over a long storage. Check out our discussions on the Fiat 500, Abarth, 595, engine specs, MPGs and more! That plug is certainly NOT fouled. How many times did you crank it with the fuse pulled? Press the gas pedal all the way to the floor. You can take your battery to the local parts store or even Walmart and have it tested to see if it still holds a charge. No crank. Submitted: 7 days ago. MY 2012 FIAT 500 WONT START. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Then once again attempt to add up to 10 ounces of oil through the check ball with your fine tipped oiler, being careful to get as much in the brick, not on it, as possible. I used the push in release on the right of the column to move the gear shift out of park to neutral and tried to start. There is 3/4 fuel in the tank. No bet that it's the same issue, but you might suggest it to your dealer: Okay I heard from them. A battery charger or one of those jump start battery boxes could be helpful too. this has been going on since i purchased the car new in 2012..500 POP standard trans. Sometimes faulty ECM may be the reason for the non-functional fuel pump. 3. Jan 13, 2014. Great car, fun for my wife to drive. I do not get a clicking sound, so I am wondering if I suddenly have a bad solenoid. And yes it is a dual clutch, not a 'real' stick. Try tapping on the starter relay while the key is turned to the ignition position. If you know it ran when parked, and it sounds like no compression, then that's definitely a drain down. My worst case plan is that if they're going to tear the engine apart, might as well get a swap of some sort. the car will not start unless i push-start it. after a few crankings, the car will start. It's all about getting ground to the starter. So a little over a year of having this car, and loving it - I have finally had my first issue. RECALLS! Fiat / 500 / 2013 / after sitting for awhile my. Its likely your 500 had a rough idle before. The brake probably feels stiffer than normal because you have no engine vacuum assisting you. Fuel Issues If your 500 isn't getting enough fuel, or any fuel at all, it may have a bad fuel filter, bad fuel pump, or bad fuel injectors. Your cars engine needs air, fuel, and a spark to run. . They tried overnighting the part, but it appears it seems to have gotten lost. It has a picture guide for all the fuses and relays. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Oil usage is all in how you drive it. You want to do it in intervals. Same here, Fiat 500, 15 months old, 8600 miles. Here are the most common reasons why the Fiat 500 wont start when the engine is not cranking. Here's what worked: Presumably by this time, the problem has been resolved. I was at a red light in my Fiat 500, and then the engine died - at the time, I thought I had stalled it, common as it's a manual transmission and I'm a youngin'. 97 it's a, I have a 2007 h3 hummer base model. Now it won't start at all. I have a 2013 Fiat 500 Pop. Join our community to talk about all things Fiat 500 related. To start a conversation, click our username then select the start a conversation button and send us your make, model year, and mileage for us to review. Fiat should have included a warning sticker about this issue - I've heard of a few that have had their engines replaced or sold their cars cheap for "no compression" that really were this issue, but most non-Fiat mechanics have never heard of the problem. (sitting at the airport for than a month at at time) imagine that!!! The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. It is highly likely that if the engine is cranking but not starting that it has thrown an OBDII code. A bad alternator can cause your battery to drain to the point it cant turn your 500 over. . Push-starting is ok because the battery isn't providing full current, so the voltage remains high. And then I couldn't get it started again. Can't start. or sometimes after 20 or so tentatives. I would say after 3 years of being left for a month at a time the battery is toast now anyway. Would have it ride a bit smoother. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. OTOH, if you don't hear anything from the starter at all (no "click"), then it's an electrical problem other than the starter itself (i.e. The good thing is, it's an easy and cheap thing to fix once they identify it; maybe they'll start stocking the part in local warehouses. If you are sure it's charging OK then that points to a dodgy battery not holding it's charge while standing or something that is drawing current while the vehicle is stood. If your Fiat 500 doesnt start, youve found the right article. Warm oil would certainly flow better. You don't want to keep cranking as the starter can overheat/burn up. Other forums are pointing to oil pressure because it has been sitting for about 30 days. The car lost its oil prime. Staffed M-F 7:30am-5:30pm EST by the Stellantis Social Engagement Team. The oil level is spot on. Try repeatedly turning the key. You must log in or register to reply here. My wife or son cranked it once a month until the coolant light changed at 140F and never had a problem. 2017+ FIAT 124 And Abarth 124 Spider Forum, 2017+ FIAT 124 Spider General Discussion Forum, https://www.caranddriver.com/features/fiats-multiair-valve-lift-system-explained, Owner Check-In Area and New Member Introductions, 2017+ FIAT 124 Spider Issues And Problems. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. #1. There will usually be OBDII codes associated with timing-related problems, but not always. All fuses have been checked. I looked down and even though the shift was in "park" the letter "D" was lit up on the shift display. Only replace drained batteries with new batteries in the same voltage, size, and specification.

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